gina
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Post by gina on Aug 6, 2006 10:01:42 GMT -5
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Post by nal2009 on Aug 6, 2006 10:49:14 GMT -5
Hmm, they don't look level to me, I guess that it's possible for sheep to do that with their eyes thiough because that's a photo of a live one for proof.
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gina
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Post by gina on Aug 6, 2006 11:05:14 GMT -5
Yeah, my instructor said that they should always be level, but these dont look level at all. Also, some say that deer eyes are level no matter if they look up or down, but I have pictures. This one shows that the eye is almost 10 degrees out of level, the nost is slightly up...  Here is another one. Now some say that the eye is always level to the ground...well, if so, this deer would be sick to its stomach!  |
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Post by kerby on Aug 6, 2006 11:56:03 GMT -5
There are no absolutes in animals and with humans.
The first picture also shows the bottom jaw out of place. Move your bottom jaw and see what happens to your eye. Your muscles around the eye might move, BUT the socket does not. The eye socket in the picture seems to be off. No animal is "symetrical" though.
As far as the pupil, yes it should be horizontal to the ground even when the head is tiltly SLIGHTLY. This does not apply for extreme angles.
This is also true with snakes, only vertical, but hard to see on round pupils, easy to see on slit pupils (rattlesnakes). I will post a pic to illustrate this.
Kerby...
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Post by kerby on Aug 6, 2006 12:34:13 GMT -5
Same principal, level (only vertical in this case). There is obviously a limit to this. Kerby...  |
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Post by fishslayer13 on Aug 6, 2006 16:17:02 GMT -5
Some of these photos show why its as important to understand your reference as it is to use reference. You cant just use any ole pic for reference. As kerby says the first photo the sheep has his jaw out of place pulling muscle down on the one side. a pic is only one moment in time----- is it the right moment in time for taxidermy reference ?
The photo of the 3rd sheep was taken from the right side angle of the sheep. He looking to his extreme right also. It appears that one eye is set looking to the sheep's right and the other eye straight forward. Thats looks that way because of the camera angle. As far as pupil level or not most taxidermy looks odd to the viewer if not Level (except an extreme angle up) extreme angle down(as in feeding) they are more Level to the ground and look odd to me mounted this way.
When I started in taxidermy 25 years ago or so, I had no live deer for reference that I could study. My wife had several horses though. You can learn a lot about eyes and the way they work and appear by watching farm animals , they will let you get close and you can see how different there eyes are at different times.
Make sure all your reference is the right reference.
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Post by jrosbor on Aug 6, 2006 17:59:56 GMT -5
does any one remember the "free" ref pic Glen Conley had on hidetanning.net that had that doe with the crooked face? Got hit by a car or something like that.
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Post by texastaxi on Aug 15, 2006 11:35:18 GMT -5
What if the camera wasn't level?
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